Tornados Suck__Except As Possible QM Explications...

. . . you do not get down to anything completely determinate till you specify an indivisible instant of time, which is an ideal limit not attained in thought or in re. Peirce

To satisfy our doubts, therefore, it is necessary that a method should be found by which our beliefs may be caused by nothing human, but by some external permanency – by something on which our thinking has no effect. Peirce

Such is the method of science. Its fundamental hypothesis . . . is this: There are real things, whose characters are entirely independent of our opinions about them; those realities affect our senses according to regular laws. . . . Peirce


Different minds may set out with the most antagonistic views, but the progress of investigation carries them by a force outside of themselves to one and the same conclusion . . . . The opinion which is fated to be ultimately agreed to by all who investigate, is what we mean by the truth, and the object represented in this opinion is the real. Peirce

“Still haven't worked through it all as my daily life is taking it's toll. We actually had several tornados hit a few communities last night. One came close to my house and caused a lil leak in the roof. No major damage for me though other than having to be without power for a few more days.” Tim

Hi Tim, finally got through all the wrecked towns and truck stops, and settled in back in Maine. I’ll just make this a short note, as my brain really ain’t quite back on line yet__as I was pretty shocked, seeing all that much damage, since we traveled through about 20 different spots, hard hit. One was a major truck stop, completely destroyed__trucks and trailers scattered on both sides of I-81, plus houses and businesses completely descimated…

“Anyways, I haven't had time to research the specifics, but what I'm thinking is that to further unite RM and QM, we treat a linear absolute distance and time scale as the Bohr model of the atom, whereas each orbital has an energy level allowing the absorption of a photon or emission thereof to discretely alter the electrons orbital relationship. In my scenario, light sets the bar whereby each linear distance represented by a lower velocity ratio thereof has a discrete energy level of seperation.” Tim

Yeah Tim, and this is the same as Ellmanl has described it also. My point I guess is that I really don’t see the differences between QM and RM, as I once did. To me, it’s simply a difference of interpretations and mathematical limits__If everyone used the same and fully true classical mathematical measurement limits, I see the QM/RM incommensurabilities dis-appearing. By this I mean, the interpretations would either have to be founded on background independencies for QM, as they are for RM__then figured from new non-relativistic limits for both QM and RM__and, all parties would have to realize exactly where RM is presently exaggerating measurement realities beyond our classical realities. As an example, just because E=MC^2, doesn’t mean physicists, logicians and mathematicians are at liberty to figure our total finiteness__into the pseudo-zero-rest-mass state, at practically zero volumes and an infinite mass point__as is now assumed by many, about the Big-Bang’s Big-Pseudo-Theory… Somewhere in their figuring, measuring and theorizing, they should realize ‘Real-Time-Classical-Realities’ of possible matter, fields and motions, and ‘Conservation Laws’ prevent such nonsense__but so far, I’ve never been able to get these simple ‘Universal Facts’ across to others... I hope you see what I’m stating__Tis absolutely impossible to have a physically conserved Universe, and a single small volume high mass point__as any known scientific reality__Period…! Ever…! Relativity of motion and time can only be applied within the classical motion and time constraints of logical possibilities__Not within the pseudo-impossibilities__That means all must function within c, or it’s recognized group 2c realities, or it ain’t science__It’s science-fiction…

Now, if we limit science to this c-logical reality, we may be able to figure the Universal necessary mechanics__that truly does govern our entire Universe__less all the science-fiction that’s actually out there, and I don’t mean your points Tim, but I’m just stating my points about all the nonsense being touted, and even produced by real pseudo-physicists for the History Channel, etc. To me, all the nonsense has showed up by exceeding the limits of true c-possibilities__and one may as well state religious views, as these, since once science leaves the confines of ‘Absolute c’ as it’s base measurement ‘FACT’__the fundamental of all measurement systems known to man, he’s left all realms open to sound science… By simply realizing this simple factual truth of ‘Fundamental Absolute c Measurement Necessity’__and then clearly founding the fine structure constant accordingly within all the Planck constants__the CODATA can be properly set to easily unite QM and RM, and be fully consistent with CM__with just simple and small corrections for RM, to QM and CM… This ain’t rocket-science__It’s simple common sense, respecting modal logic possibilities, probabilities and necessities… This also brings the Universal Manifold into Unity as a working Continuum, where the Parts and Wholes are properly functioning under a single Universal Field, extended and entangled, across the entire Manifold… I can thoroughly explain this later, when my mind is clearer__but the scientist/logician Peirce already mentioned it back in the late 1800’s, but the world chose to ignore him__until more recently… Kant also mentioned it some 200 years ago, when a young scientist/physicist__before turning his massive talents to philosophy…

“This would extend the EM spectrum to encompass massive systems in a sense, whereby the rest mass of a system is it's default velocity state and the gain or loss of relative mass which can transition a system along the scale is required to alter the energy level of the system as with absorption emission aspects thus allowing various rest mass systems to occupy an absolute energy level along the absolute scale as long as they satisify the energy level required to be there.” Tim

You may have stated the above correct, idk__but, I think you’d have to maybe re-think this statement, as the default velocity state must be background independent, and only controlled by it’s own mass increases__sorta on-the-fly__if you get my meaning. When placing oneself inside the manifold, or attempting to place oneself outside the manifold__it gets pretty tricky to keep all the possible, probable and necessary matter, masses and motions in true mechanically necessary perspectives__while relaying the best mechanics explanations possible. Peirce accomplished this same trick by assigning signs to all the different entities, but at the same time allowing the signs background independence to trade positions as conditions warrant, just as per Va = Vr <--> Vu… These velocity and mass values must always be able to interchange states within the entire manifold__thus the necessity of background independence, in our explanations of actual masses and motions… This was the original need for Peirce’s triadic logic system of signs, by way of icons, indices and symbols, etc., and these were often changed up as conditions of logical variants required, for him to describe his complex logical and cosmological systems, etc… It’s just an alternate method of keeping tabs on all the differences within samenesses, so to speak__if ya get my meanings…

“If we consider a photon to be a linear extension through time along the scale like a yard stick and a more massive system to be some temporal extension lesser ratio thereof, i.e., shorter larger diameter rod, then we could perhaps account for the reciprocal conserved loss or gain of mass and velocity from system to system as being conserved by way of the extension aspect whereby all systems have a p=1 relationship through an absolute interval of time. The mass variations we find as being presently conserved within various systems ie e=mcc would be the reciprocal of the mass/energy relationship we found expended along the scale. I want to consider this relationship as with linearly extending an electron orbital and considering the various discrete energy level transitions, but haven't had time to do the research. I think you'll get my meaning though.” Tim

Yeah, I’m following you on extending the conservation aspects, but I think this may already be done by others like Ellman and Mathis, etc., but we can add much to these ideas, I would think__now that I’m thinking it over… Yes, there's much to be identified and brought under the conservation tent__as relates to what you and I are stating… It’s just difficult to pull myself out far enough to see it sometimes, especially when writing directly about it… Your suggestion reminds me of Peirce measuring the hydrodynamic affects and effects on his pendulums, by light and atmosphere changes__while doing his global-positioned gravity measurements__and he was looking for accuracies like these, in the 1800’s…

“This would be taking QM aspects and encorporating them into RM aspects whereby establishing them both as fractal methodologies of absolute time and space mechanics.” Tim

You’d have to explain further, here…

“I like the idea of a motion spectrum with discrete energy level intervals as I've referenced similar aspects in the past.” Tim

Don’t forget, you’ve also got to allow for non-discretes, to cross the energy gaps, within the manifold, to achieve total Universal Unity… By this, I’m simply referring to the infinitesimal extensions and entanglements of the smallest possible aspects of field-waves__the hyper-fine structures Bohr left out of his model of the hydrogen atom… Tim, I don’t think you are ever going to get down to an absolute discrete Universe__without addressing the fundamental wave-continuum of full unity__It’s there, no matter how one tries to avoid it__It’s the ‘one-many-many-one’ non-discrete of the discrete many__or gravity fails__and I don’t see that happening, even if it’s just the wind-friction, you’ve gotta account for it… It still has to be blowing real FS-Wave-Matter…

“I just didn't know how to apply the mechanics. I'm considering the transition of a system in relation to it's rest mass vs relative mass along with the discrete force requirements to change it's linear relationship along the energy spectrum. I'll have to think more on this.” Tim

A few tidbits about mathematical complexity:
Results in metalogic consist of such things as formal proofs demonstrating the consistency, completeness, and decidability of particular formal systems.

Major results in metalogic include:

Proof of the uncountability of the set of all subsets of the set of natural numbers (Cantor's theorem 1891)
Löwenheim-Skolem theorem (Leopold Löwenheim 1915 and Thoralf Skolem 1919)
Proof of the consistency of truth-functional propositional logic (Emil Post 1920)
Proof of the semantic completeness of truth-functional propositional logic (Paul Bernays 1918),[4] (Emil Post 1920)[2]
Proof of the syntactic completeness of truth-functional propositional logic (Emil Post 1920)[2]
Proof of the decidability of truth-functional propositional logic (Emil Post 1920)[2]
Proof of the consistency of first order monadic predicate logic (Leopold Löwenheim 1915)
Proof of the semantic completeness of first order monadic predicate logic (Leopold Löwenheim 1915)
Proof of the decidability of first order monadic predicate logic (Leopold Löwenheim 1915)
Proof of the consistency of first order predicate logic (David Hilbert and Wilhelm Ackermann 1928)
Proof of the semantic completeness of first order predicate logic (Gödel's completeness theorem 1930)
Proof of the undecidability of first order predicate logic (Church's theorem 1936)
Gödel's first incompleteness theorem 1931
Gödel's second incompleteness theorem 1931
Tarski's undefinability theorem (Gödel and Tarski in the 1930s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalogic