Spatial and Temporal Spectrum

Morning Lloyd,

As much as we have in common, our scientific interpretations often finds us at opposite ends of those few key concepts which have the ability to penetrate all the way to the absolute philosophy of science. In all of the concepts in existence, only a few find themselves able to reach to the absolute extremes of existence itself setting such theoretical models founded upon such against themselves in terms of function and mere being. These very concepts should have a classification of their own if they don’t already. A few examples of such are: discrete vs. continuous, deterministic vs. random, eternal vs. temporary, infinite vs. finite, etc. If anything ever comes out of our discussions it will probably be due to our individual approaches having to work themselves out. As we know, I am much more prone to theoretical interpretation while you attempt to stay much more grounded in established logic and knowledge systems along with your tireless efforts of studying all available material, while I prefer to take in only certain amounts while leaving enough mental processing power to sort through what I can and explore within my own scientific and logic processes, searching for verification through later studies. So, you keep us grounded and I’ll keep us pushing through the ungrounded possibilities. Most of what I suggest is highly theoretical as you know, especially considering the level at which we are discussing at. In the end, its probably the best set up for exploration we could have as seen in natures very design of the brain with each of us representing competing regions whereby truth is sorted rather than both of us being aligned to the point that we lead ourselves astray. I see a need for both personalities at this level, so I respect your position on such matters. On a side note, I was born left handed BTW, but mostly developed into being ambidextrous with only slight left handed dominance. I had natural tendencies towards being an artist, musician, inventor, creative thinker, etc.

Here’s a link to a distance scale I found on wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28length%29

There’s a pretty good extended list there going into the many resolutions of structure, but here’s a shortened version.



Now if we take the absolute observer position and place the universal marble under the hypothetical microscope, then no matter how much we zoom in, we find many recursive aspects of structures acting together within unstructured mediums of various dynamics and densities all the way to the subatomic where things get a little blurry to say the least as we near the quantum realm. Though the closest we may have come to physically representing what is going on at such levels is perhaps Bose Einstein Condensates and such, we have otherwise come up with no means to interact at such resolutions below those allowed by QM, which would give us an idea of what to expect at the most absolute scales in terms of continuous vs. discrete, deterministic vs. random, etc. Continuous background independent models would suggest a fundamental substance making up the very fabric of space and matter with density variations allowing for the visual representations of structured vs. unstructured as we zoom back out to the macro realms. Certain discrete background dependent representations might paint a different picture though whereby substituting variances in volume for those of a value system which determined what passed through and within what. Either way, both would suggest some form of mere information processing at such resolutions, whether in terms of volume or value, whereby even if we developed methods to slow the fastest interaction in nature and modulate them from the shortest of distances to distance and time scales that would allow our direct observation and perhaps manipulation, I believe we would still have to change our entire understanding of such interactions which we had otherwise been taught throughout the various other recursive resolutions of structures interacting with structures by way of the field states of unstructured regions as established by the wiki diagrams. Whether discrete or continuous, values or volumes, the very scales and timeframes at which we would be dealing with is in essence a natural information system operating within some set of parameters, IMHO.

We find ourselves at the middle of many natural spectrums as with our greater familiarity with the more centralized visible frequencies (light) of the electromagnetic spectrum along with our greater familiarity of the distance scales represented by the centralized “human scale” of the lists I’ve provided. Due to such, we must develop methods to probe in both directions by making use of both extremes of the various spectrums we are otherwise more centrally positioned within. Thus, the very exposure time of the various distance scales determines how we interpret such interactions taking place there. Many things might move seemingly slow almost frozen in time at the larger astronomical scales, while the other end of the distance spectrum represents interactions which could barely be determined of having taken place at all even if directly viewed. Structured systems are solid to us due to our slower position in the velocity spectrum, yet to a neutrino or high energy photon propagating at or near c, which might pass through many structured systems being only exposed to them for a miniscule amount of time, the very unstructured, much more vast regions of unstructured ’space’ with its fabric of short range non maintained, short duration interactions, might become the extended more solidified densely structured field relative to such motions and the trajectory throughout, due to the very duration of exposure with such a medium and its interactions. We know much more about a rock than we do a photon, simply because our trajectory and velocity allows us to propagate parallel to it long enough to examine it thoroughly. Our exposure to a photon is so short lived that it is still unresolved whether it is a particle or wave.

Perhaps the very interactions that make no sense to us due to the time and distance scales involved at the micro resolutions might actually have some definable or differentiable pattern if we were able to increase our exposure times to such interactions by a hypothetical acceleration through unstructured space, or a modulated and temporally extended structured interaction. The very energy requirements of doing either seems to establish an event horizon at both ends of such an interaction spectrum which we may never overcome. I’m of the opinion that being as we are dealing with an information type system, our best bet might be that rather than modulating such aspects outward to resolutions which allow for interpretation as with particle accelerators and such, we may perhaps learn to further inwardly modulate interactions more familiar with our central position within the various spectrums far past the transmitted signals we now accomplish by way of radio waves and such to the point to somehow interfere with the very information structure which lies within and throughout nature to the point of directly manipulating some aspect of nature in a determinable manner rather than smashing things together to see what they're made of, to allow for a further extension of our scientific knowledge which may otherwise be impossible. The proposed Higgs field which accounts for mass in particle physics might be one of information rather than a mere particle field whereby we might have to retool our thought structuring to further our knowledge of such in terms of evolving from the recursive lessons we’ve been taught at the many scales and resolutions which move much too slowly to determine their true parameters of interaction in any other manner than mere interpretations of forces, to the point that we develop methods to interact thus decode those scales and resolutions at which interactions are so short ranged, short lived and immensely frequent that the very language in which they are written can be translated to the point of our modulated input establishing scientific truth as we learn to manipulate nature itself at the most micro scales rather than merely witnessing it by way of those maintained interactions which establish ever more macro structured systems whose very composite motions are increasingly out of phase with its internal micro constituent interactions to the point that we have declared a knowledge of such events in terms of forces and energy even with our centralized aspect of the rate at which we perceive nature, which is ultimately a mechanical process itself due to our very structural position within the universal marble.

Later,

P.S. If we ever discovered a way to interact at the most fundamental resolution, though we may not view it directly, we may be able to interpret whether such is continuous or discrete depending upon the methods employed to do so.