Bio Bifocals

added thought: our recognition of energy and forces are how we interpret informational processes from the discrete absolute perspective. That's what I was getting at there. Still matter in motion as with wave mechanics and such, but relational to information aspects. You'll also notice below how I relate the external mirror analogy to the self sustained aspects of a system vs. those aspects which require a seperate reference frame. This very aspect of using the mirror analogy is loosely similar to what I mean about furthering our internal knowledge by means of observing external geo interactions. some aspects of a system are intrinsic to the system eg length contraction of the geo and internal logic of the bio, while others require a reference eg temporal reference of the geo and fundamental bio apsects referenced to geo interactions. It's confusing I know, but necessary to discuss. I see more out of context misunderstandings between us, but none worth distracting where I think the conversation needs to focus.

I just got to work and thought I'd go ahead and clarify a few things in case you were still wandering around the Internet universe this evening. We both seem to be taking aspects out of context Lloyd, which is understandable. Let me clarify this quote that you seem to be stuck on.

"The more we learn about it, the more we simply and inevitably learn about ourselves. We don't have to be able to see within if we simply identify with that which is taking place externally. Thus, we have effectively defeated the barrier of layers or so I would think."

The point of much of that post is that yes, we draw our intelligence internally from within our mental process in terms of thought structuring, logic, and such whereby our link to nature will always be filtered by our intellect as that's the only means of us experiencing nature. However, this only seems to work on external aspects as when we are very young it is more obvious that we learn much more from impersonating our external souroundings as we begin to walk and talk than we learn from any internal aspects because we haven't yet built the layers of information required to sort back towards how it is that we are doing such things at all. Nature eventually provides the road back to ourselves. The problem is that when we get to the point of turning our focus on ourselves, the methods which benifited us thus far become useless with going past the inner barrier of the underlying constituent functions which govern composite thought processes. It seems a system can produce no information about itself at those levels without referencing another system. This is perhaps because information has no context unless within a relational aspect as with either a background dependence or independence.

Think of the mirror analogy, those various systems had to reference each other to establish any relevance of time or distance. Yes, both reference frames functioned just fine per internal length contraction mechanics but to establish a time aspect, they had to reference the photon clock, which in turn led them to realize that their distance aspect was relational and relative. The processes of the mind function just fine in terms of processing thoughts and we can look within to better understand how such is accomplished, but to truly pass the barrier whereby we might establish how such works at a more fundamental level, we simply need an external reference so that the extractable information there has a background or relational aspect whereby it finds it's place within the universal mechanics.

Speaking of the clock reference, notice how every oscillation device we have is actually functioning by tying in to another reference frames wave mechanics whether working from mechanical stored energy, atomic interactions, astronomical observations or electrical, they are always our link to a steady oscillation coming from a higher velocity reference source. They simply modulate the frequency to our frames reference of the slower moving hands of a clock. We simply need the interface of fields to establish meaning yet we lose sight of how we are linked to such.