Finding Ourselves Within Nature

As much as our terminology is unified with our scientific concepts Lloyd, often times when we get into the logic of logic, science of science, thinking of thought type discussions, I must admit I don't identify as much with your use of the more technical words. I simply don't extract the meaning from them that I should to truly see your grounded mental pathways which I know are there. Let me try to explain my take on such as far as I've been able to reach in my own language of simple interactions, scales, resolutions, etc. and see if you can find my mentally grounded path of logic. 

The greatest aspect of nature which allows for it's self understanding is the fact that it builds and constructs itself in layers. If we look at the shortest of distances we might find a continuous FS which condenses in localized regions to form elementary discrete particle structures, which further works together as a unit to form a seemingly continuous yet composite system, which further clumps with other systems to form ever larger macro systems from ever more constituent interactions. Thus we see the continuos to discrete to continuous to discrete etc, etc, processes of the layering aspect of nature itself whereby a simple seperation of scales for the observer allows a seemingly continuous unit to be composed of constituent discrete systems and as we know, there could be a further discrete aspect to the FS itself. I'm simply trying to set up the thought process of layers here so I can address the deeper philosophical aspects by doing such. 

Despite the shortcomings of computer analogies, the very layering aspect allows for the strong comparison of nature to a simple computer program which operates within simple rules at the most fundamental scales to build ever further complexity through time and space simply by obeying such rules of engagment. Very complex patterns can form through time by simply applying a few parameters and allowing the nature of the operation to run it's course. This has been proven with a few emergent programs. 

The combination of parameters and initial conditions established the potential for all future conditions to come yet such exacting conditions cannot be calculated to great percision or within any less time or space than it takes the system itself to run it's course. This is why most digital physics concepts argue for determinism due to the symmetry of nature yet argue against our ability to calculate certantity of future states as implied by determinism simply due to the most efficient process of such being the universe itself from the unaccesible micro scales throughout. But this is just worth mentioning and not my point still. Such a process could form a more composite layer of interactions whereby mathematical expressions emerge to analog various processes as statistical type translations without having to address every little micro interaction as seen with RM, QM and CM. 

Now keeping the many layers of nature in mind, we can imagine all of the various composite systems built from ever more constituent interactions to the point that bio nature emerges from geo nature. The processes of the brain are no exception. The very parameters of logic and understanding are composite layers tracable back to the most fundamental constituent geo scales while they further become the constituent resolution from which further composite thought is achieved. 

The thing is, the further we dig into the very fabric of nature within any region of space or structure, the more we disconnect ourselves from composite aspects of forces overseeing interactions and the closer we get to mere outcomes of a system operating within parameters. This very characteristic of nature establishes an intrinsic inability to pearce into a more constituent resolution by any composite means as is the case for geo natures relationship to itself, which is also the case for the most constituent parameters of thought from which understanding and logic are achieved allowing any form of probing from the composite concepts, ideas, etc, that further emerge from such. They simply have no grounded path which allows a system built upon layers to penetrate or probe it's most fundamental interactions by way of it's ever larger composite systems which have taken much more time and space to achieve. 

This would remain the case within the universe if not for the dichotomy established by way of geo natures processes and interactions springing forth the very subsystem of bio nature by which the system sets itself internally against itself to allow for an otherwise unallowable penetration of micro constituent interactions, by way of macro composite interactions. Not to be too metaphysical here, but we are the universe learning about itself whereby our compsoite scientific aspects penetrate deeper into the most constituent layers of nature, yet when we turn our thoughts and investigations upon ourselves, we have an intrinsic mental roadblock which doesn't allow us to probe the very parameters of how our mind operates due to the composite layers we are using to attempt to do such. Thus, the only grounded path to accomplish such is the other side of the coin to the bio vs geo division which has already allowed understanding in one direction, and that is to complete the circle by simply understanding that the very aspects of geo nature which we observe in all it's layers from the micro to the macro holds the keys by which the only allowable grounded path is achieved for us to see deeper within the constituent aspects of the very mental processes by which we operate. Just as the universe used us in a sense to view within, we must reverberate/reflect such back into our understanding whereby we might find similarity between how geo nature sorts, positions and orders structured and unstructured volumes and systems compared to how we sort through fact, fiction, knowledge, logic and all other concepts relational to the processes of thought itself. 

I simply feel there lies an impossibilty to view our own constituent interactions directly, just as geo interactions are a one way street so is thought. Though it (the universe) is not to be personified as with emotions and such, we are the very method by which it has developed a division to penetrate itself with whereby we too should find the patterns and potential within it's rules of engagement to apply to our own understanding of ourselves. Though the very layers of existence might prevent direct inward observation of a system by it's own means, it doesn't disallow a bridge to be built between two opposing processes whereby they begin to mirror each other to the point that it's understanding of itself supplied by us is the very quantitative values represented within the many equations and formulas of science within the minds of many, thus our internal understanding supplied by it is perhaps the very dance of matter and motion which such mathematical concepts are analogously modeling. I feel that my personal final intellectual journey will be complete when nature looks inside of me to see itself within the very thoughts and scientific concepts racing through my mind, the same as I might fully see myself within it as I look out into the vast distances of space and time to identify with the various interactions of the sorting of systems to further build increasingly complex systems. The current univeral entropy of substance and thought isn't necessarily order to disorder, but rather the overall continuous ordering of geo systems and bio ideas to form ever more complex structured objects and intelligence all due to mere parameters whereby such things as thermodynamic entropy is a byproduct as well. Such also allows for the observed disorder from order while never breaking the rules of engagement. Thus the prime mover might lie within a simple sorting problem which has no solution and emergent behavior always ends in a collapse back to an initial state. 

I hope you'll see both the complexity and simplicity in what I'm saying in terms of the layers and such pertaining to the logic of logic you seek. Follow the reasoning as far as you can and hopefully you'll see my position, even if you find yourself at odds with it. It's how I answer such things within my own mind whereby feeling that we'll perhaps know that we know when we see the hypothetical geo and bio mirrors align to seemingly reflect infinity within our very understanding allowing us to have both internal and external understanding by way of nature itself. I don't mean to be metaphysical here, because I don't personify nature, but I do believe it holds the only keys which unlock the doors of our self understanding. The more we learn about it, the more we simply and inevitably learn about ourselves. We don't have to be able to see within if we simply identify with that which is taking place externally. Thus, we have effectively defeated the barrier of layers or so I would think.